Version 2.0: A new kind of project

Hi community,

In our new years update, we lifted the veil on a successor to the V, the world’s first crowd-developed 2-in-1 tablet and laptop computer. I’m thrilled to finally be able to tell you more about it!

A new first

The T1 was Eve’s first product. It was in essence a ready-made tablet, that Eve tweaked, branded and sold. For its time and in its price range, it was pretty awesome.

The V was Eve’s first crowd-developed product. It was designed from the ground up with input from our community. There were delays and other issues, but the device itself was pretty awesome.

Now it’s time for another first: Eve’s first sequel! No, wait, don’t tune out! We know sequels are rarely as good as the original, but Terminator got it right and so will we. With your help, we will make it awesome!

This will be a different kind of project, because we don’t have to start all the way from scratch. After all, we have 2017’s V and can use it as a basis for what we create next. We already have contacts with suppliers and manufacturers, a functioning supply chain, and a load of experience. But more importantly, we have more feedback from actual end users than any prototype stage could ever provide! All of this will form the basis for a new 2-in-1 device from Eve, with everything you love about the V and more, available later this year.

2017: The V’s pros and cons

The V was slated for release in early 2017, but due to delays devices did not ship to initial backers until late that year. Feature-wise, it was (and is!) still ahead of its competitors, with an amazing display and a port selection its peers could only dream of. And for most users, the difference in performance is negligible, with the V performing splendidly in everyday tasks.

It’s still a computer though, and in a market where newer, more powerful hardware is introduced every year, the V fails to keep up with newer offerings from our competitors in the eyes of more demanding users. And the device is not without its flaws. Many of these are small issues that many users won’t notice or care about, but others may find annoying. Others are more glaring, like issues with keyboard reliability that go unnoticed by those not affected, but throw a spanner in the works for those unlucky enough to be affected.

Following the release of the V we have carefully collected all feedback about the device’s features, usability, and reliability. We know that despite the issues experienced by some people (who understandably have been quite vocal about this!), most users are happy with their V and rate it quite highly. We are proud of the device we developed together with our community! But we have also learned from every press- and user review, survey, customer support ticket, and community suggestion. These things combined are a treasure trove of information that we will use to make our next device even better than the V already was.

2020: Learn from the past. Adapt. Improve.

With this project we are not looking to re-invent the wheel. The device we’re building is like the V, but better: it’s still a tablet-first 2-in-1 tablet and laptop computer with a kickstand and a folio keyboard. It uses an x86 processor and has a good selection of ports.

With suppliers and manufacturing partners already in place and industry contacts established, we have a head start compared to when we set out to create the V. We have also grown to the point where we can buy components like display panels directly from manufacturers, without having to deal with shady middle-man vendors that promise to deliver next week every week. We’ve been working on this behind the scenes for some time, and all of this makes it so that we can launch our next 2-in-1 later this year.

Some of our choices are easy. Newer SoCs are faster and offer a broader feature set, there are newer, faster types of memory, there are new standards for WiFi and Bluetooth. Other things aren’t quite as straightforward. Do we stick with aluminium and its cooling benefits and silky finish, or do we choose weight reduction by switching to magnesium alloy?

This is where we will combine powers once more with our amazing community, to work out all the things that go beyond straight-up ‘newer is better’. By the time we are done, we’ll give the Surface Pro line a run for its money with a new 2-in-1 tablet and laptop computer that’s developed by Eve and its community. Made by them us.

So what’s next?

We’ve made a lot of preparations behind the scenes to ensure this project will stay on track. Those who have participated in Project: Spectrum may remember that the first design stage involves deciding on the overall look and feel of the product. Our design team are excited to get your input on their initial design directions in our first major discussion topic for this project as early as next week!

As a techie myself, I understand that some of you may be chomping at the bit to talk specs. We’ll get to that! For now, we want to ask you:

:fire: What do you think makes 2-in-1 devices awesome? How do you use yours?

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I use mine for drawing. I could easily get away with an iPad for my uses but what I like about using 2-in-1 devices such as the V and Surface Pro is that it doesn’t get in the way of my workflow. With an iPad I would be at the mercy of whatever save features and file management iOS and 3rd party apps provide. But with a 2-in-1 I can easily export and import in the several different programs I use in a way that’s much easier and standard for me.

It might be too early to give my opinions of what I’d like to see in a V successor, but since I’m typing up my thoughts I’ll share them. I bought a 2-in-1 about 2.5 years ago, so I won’t be in the market for another one any time soon. But if I was in the market for one I would be very interested in one with high Linux compatibility. I’m positive that I’m in the minority for something like that, but there’s really no Linux-compatible 2-in-1’s on the market. Purism and Sys76 only have traditional laptops, and most existing 2-in-1 devices have very hit-or-miss Linux support.

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I use my V mainly as a Laptop and only sometimes as a Tablet for taking notes with the bamboo ink.
Therefore a great keyboard, with backlight, and a good pen is important to me. A decent amount of ports is also crucial for me.

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V is a fantastic piece of hardware,
It keeps the pace with other competitors still today.
I’m a student and I use it for my daily routine of PDF, specific technical softwares and web browsing, for those tasks a bigger screen and a lighter body would be a benefit.
Up to now the experience with the pen is not comparable to iPad performances, but I’d really love in the future to use V2 both as a Tablet and a PC. Work on these aspects and the final product will be surely great if accompanied by a good and structured support experience.

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For me, the best thing about 2-in-1 devices is the increased degree of flexibility. Want to do some quick jobs or media consumption? Here’s a tablet. Want to do some more in-depth work and/or longer typing sessions? Here’s a laptop.

I love 90% of the time I spend using the V. I predominantly use it in tablet mode and have experienced very few (if any) issues with this format of the 2-in-1. However, I am unfortunately in the group of users who has had considerable issue with the keyboard, making the laptop part of the 2-in-1 idea almost a non-starter (the keyboard does work okay for me occasionally, eventually, but it can take the V a good 20 minutes of flicking between tablet and laptop mode before it realises the keyboard is definitely attached).

More up to date internals + a better keyboard (I’d also love a lighter version without bluetooth as that’s not a feature I have used once) and I would definitely be interested in a V2

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The original V was pretty good, I think the main objective this time should be updating components and fixing the issues the V had.

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V - the great device with lots of options and possibilities for expansion with some issues - keyboard quality, finger scanner issues, and mainly non-existent support - repairs, warranty, drivers, firmware …

For Gen. 2 I would like to see two different sizes - large one preferably sane size as Gen. 1 with screen size of Surface Pro X (smaller bezels) with two full TB3 ports (one on each side), 2 USB3 ports (one on each side), audio port and full SD card reader (flushed). LTE and GPS would be great. Processor - Intel 10th generation with 32 GB RAM option.

The second model should be in size of Surface Go, but again with bigger (11") screen and smaller bezels. Here would be OK to have 1 TB3 and 1 or 2 USB3 ports, audio port and micro SD card reader. Processor and memory same as the larger model, in this one - LTE and GPS should be mandatory.

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As the first V user I have the most experience and my opinions should be counted double! :stuck_out_tongue:

Jokes aside, I’ve been using my V regularly since I’ve gotten it. Mostly for University, work and trips around the world (This V has seen more continents than many people :D). At home I have a Desktop and large screen.
While I’ve been mostly happy with it and the support I’ve gotten (guess I was lucky here) I do have some complaints about it.

As just about everybody says the keyboard is just lacking. I think I have 3 or 4 V keyboards flying around and even fixing and combining some stuff myself the keyboard that I’m using is just about acceptable but not worth praising. I’ve had different problems on different keyboards. On some the connector simply breaks, on the next some keys just register input if you touch them (not press them, it’s really just a strafe), on others random switches break and the keys just fall off and then bluetooth and/or the battery seems to be wonky or it seems to randomly wake the V during sleep. And then there’s keyboards going out that are bent weird and don’t close flush with the V. And this seems to happen in weird combinations where no keyboard is truly fully functional. My current one has all keys that seem to register fine, bluetooth can be weird sometimes and it seems to wake my V in the bag every few days.

Next problem is the screen. I’ve had one broken by a friend. Ok, not entirely the Vs fault but it was actually decently packed inside a bag. And the other time it was just cracked when I returned to my hotel room and I’m not the only one whose screen was weirdly broken by a ghost or something. A screen will always be a weak point but we should try to make this more durable. I see smartphone screens all banged up but working fine with touch, I wonder why the V’s touch completely breaks even if a crack is barely visible.

Now that we’ve got the 2 big painpoints out of the way let’s get to the smaller bits where I’d like to see improvement:

  1. The pen. Just make it better, you know what I mean. And give a proper space to store it.
  2. The weight. It’s on the heavy side
  3. Performance. I’m mostly fine on this one since I use it mostly for light tasks. But even then sometimes it feels a tiny bit sluggish and I’m sure we can improve here. Even if we just put the next gen CPU in we will get a bump but I think we should consider switching to a higher TDP CPU. If Microsoft can use a 15W fanless we can too :slight_smile:
  4. Lapability. We’ve discussed this before but I really think we should offer some kind of keyboard (additionally?) in the style of the surface book. We could load it with battery, a GPU and IO to make it a sensible product and one can choose what he needs for the day, maybe a folio cover is enough, maybe a laptop style will be needed.
  5. Portrait mode. Portrait can be great for documents and we should support it better. I think we should give it the ability to stand (and optimally adjust angle) in portrait mode. I’ve been using it quite a lot to study for exams propped up against a pillow in bed but that could really be improved.
  6. LTE and GPS. We wanted to last time. Do it this time around.
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For me, 2-in-1 devices provide a uniquely wide array of use cases.

I personally need a device that lets me do IT work while walking around a large building, lets me relax and watch Netflix while at home, allows for some casual to low/mid tier gaming, and enables me to pursue my artistic drawing goals. I can easily leave the gaming to my desktop, but I enjoy being able to take a portable PC for LAN parties.

It’s difficult to find a device that checks off all of these boxes, and won’t break the budget. The Surface Book 2 comes closes remarkably close, but is prohibitively expensive when you’re looking for an i7 and 16GB+ of RAM. Also, it’s specs are in need of a refresh.

What I’d like to see with the sequel:

  • Reinforced keyboard ribbon cable. (Fairly certain mine became dislodged or broke. The pins are fine, but the keyboard became progressively worse over time. The distinctive bump of the ribbon through the fabric felt flimsy.)
  • Improved stand hinge attachment. The screws where firmly in place, but the plate for the stand had the slightest amount of wiggle that kept me thinking it was loose.
  • “Flush” or properly aligned Type-C port framing. Cables fall out because they can’t always go in securely.
  • Improved thermals. While the silence was nice, I found that the device would become hot and sluggidsh when doing things that seemed relatively simple. Like just running a Discord video chat for a couple hours with an external mic and webcam.
  • For a pen improvement, I’d like to see a textured tip option (like the Surface Pen) to improve the tactile feel, improved accuracy, as well as tilt support.
  • better driver support. Please?

I loved the ports, I loved the screen, I loved the versatility, I loved the aesthetic, I loved the price! Overall performance has been good, and despite the delivery timing complications I still think it was a worthwhile purchase.

Thanks for all the hard work you guys put in, I look forward to what comes next!

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Ice Lake would be great. Finally increased iGPU performance

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We have two Vs at home now and are happy with it.
I really can stress the issues with the keyboard as well. I really use the V as a tablet everyday but reconnecting the keyboard is sometimes pain as I am not sure if the connection is stable. I am not sure if a new construction (e.g. 360° hinge) is really helpful.
At one V, the fingerprint reader broke either by software or hardware. It doesn’t matter. It is not working. A real pain. At the other one it is working…

I really think improving the software support (esp. firmware) is necessary.

I am not using the pen often. So I do not judge.
The weight. I think it is okay.

Performance: the i5 is really okay but the i3 is slow.

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Having more components on the keyboard would be nice but it would add some weight, it would also need a fast connection to the laptop if you want to fit a GPU in it.

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I really want to have this be my main mobile device. I want to take class notes on it with a pen, watch movies on it, program on it, run simulation software on it, and play games like Rainbow 6 Six, League of Legends, and Skyrim on it with acceptable frames.

I want V2 to have…

  • finger print to be working or windows hello support.
  • a more responsive, durable pen
  • lighter weight
  • more power, I want to be able to play all esports level games without just dropping the quality down
  • 120 Hz OLED screen with higher screen to body ratio
    (I know some people may not agree but I think it’ll add great value and really push the V2 forward
  • a keyboard that stays alive :notes:
  • front firing speakers

Things my V has done right are…

  • it’s cool to the touch
  • battery life is something I’m pleased with
  • no bloatware
  • unboxing experience
  • overall usability is just great, occasional hardware issues and power are the only things I’d complain about.
  • screen is great

Excited to see what we can do together!

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So… I’m seeing this story hitting a couple of web articles:

It shows a supposed render of the Eve Version 2.0 with a modified port layout, keyboard hinge, and little else. But, I haven’t seen anything straight from Eve directly with this image. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places? @Helios, Any truth to it?

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I’m pretty sure it’s real, but it’s likely not final, hopefully we’ll get more news soon!

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For me my 2in1 is my brain. I can always have it with me. Everyday, everywhere. I can work on it wherever I am. On scaffolds at construction sites, in the car while stuck in traffic, in meetings and even/mostly in my office on my desk. I designed a connector which holds my 2in1 at the kickstand and connects it to a ergotron monitor arm. So my 2in1 could be hovered easily everywhere over my desk. Directly in front of me to draw on, at the side of my curved 37" monitor which is driven by the 2in1 to have a second screen for outlook constantly open or at any other place on my desk. Because I am no gamer and my job doesn’t actually need very demanding 3D tasks, I loved the silence of the V. I just hate the thought that a weird fan is sucking dust from my desk into the device. Actually i build my setup with a SP6 i7 while the V is my backup device (a crack at the screen damaged the touch function so I had to disable touch).
For me there is no thought to ever buy a desktop computer again. Why should I? When a 1kg 12" Tablet has enough power to drive all my programs and has enough space to store my data, why should I ever buy another device? There’s absolutely no reason.
I hope the V2 will stay fanless. I really don’t care about the keyboard, because I rarely used it (proper keyboard on the desk and touch keyboard abroad). Maybe the V2 should be a little bit lighter and a chance to have a screen replacement should be implemented (the best case would be to make the V2 user-repairable). The actual screen of the V is still better than actual SP7 screens when it comes to visibility in sunlight. The coating should be improved to avoid those cases where the coating get lost… there’s surely a lot I can add… when the time is right… good night…

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I agree with the ability for the new 2 in 1 to be able to use different keyboards from the same generation as long as the keyboards are labeled. Then if a user wants more of a tablet feel, they go for a slim tablet like keyboard. If you want more of a surface book feel you get extra battery life and/or GPU option. Plus if you make the 2 in 1 connect with a type c port it solves all that too.

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Oh wow, 11th Gen Tiger Lake? I would certainly be interested to see that as a possible option.

I’d like to see a 15W CPU in there and at the same time have good thermal control to allow a fanless design (like the Surface Pros).

I am a tablet first and laptop second user and also a photographer. The reason why I like using 2-in-1’s is primarily for the pen input. I like the portability of being able to use the same device I use for reading/journaling, also for photo editting, and when I really need to, productivity work in laptop mode.

That said, improvements I’d like to see over the existing V:

  • The pen experience on the SP X is better and hope you can study it. It has a bigger hover distance which leads to better palm rejection than on my V. I have to wear a tablet glove currently to use the V the way I want to use it.
  • Ports/cables - they keep falling out on the V because the usb-c cables don’t go full in due to the slanted edges on the sides
  • smaller bezels
  • better speakers
  • Screen was good, but it only had sRGB coverage. I’d like a screen with ~ 100% AdobeRGB coverage for photography use-case
  • Add color calibration without Calman software
  • Solve the “ghost touch” problems when waking up from sleep (this happens when opening up the keyboard cover to wake the V up)
  • Solve the fingerprint sensor problem (it often stops working and isn’t very reliable)
  • full-sized SD card would be great so I can carry one less usb-c adapter
  • graphene battery would be nice
  • slight weight reduction would be nice
  • bigger touchpad on keyboard
  • stronger magnets to keep pen attached to the V

Maybe have a Brydge-style keyboard case as a 2nd option (I would take that) for those that want better lapability.

Also, for 2nd Gen, hopefully we get better product support as well, and more frequent firmware updates to fix reported issues. Would help if you are able to establish a US-based support center to help with warranty repairs

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The current model of EVE V is too thick. Most people hope to see it get thinner like below 7.0mm for greater portability. :woozy_face:

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This has been one of the renders we have made in the past. So this is work of imagination :slight_smile:

As mentioned key decisions and design creation will all go through community crowd development process!

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