Value-added programs or Bloatware


#1

Cheers! :beers:

Every time I buy new laptop, first thing I make Recovery image using the manufacturer program and keep it in safe place to restore my original factory state if any future errors come, I was very careful to get the original image incase of loosing mine, but when I have met eve, everything changed, From your discussions and topics I read, I see these programs as bogey man :joy:
I mean my HP laptop come with about 15 added programs for security, power management, remote control, tasks management… , Will using clean windows installation then download drivers separately speed up your device! , at same time you have high Ram capacity!?!


#2

A clean install of Windows would definitely make your device run faster! I haven’t tried it yet with a computer with bloatware, but it may be possible to do this from Windows Settings (Update & security > Recovery > Reset this PC) without getting any of the bloatware.

Just something to keep in mind though, usually most of those program are useless, slow your computer down, and can sometimes be viruses and spyware(Lenovo Superfish, for example).

But sometimes there might be one or two that are actually rather useful. For example, one “bloatware” that came on my old Lenovo was the software for the Synaptics TouchPad, which had a lot of extra settings that Windows didn’t have.

Usually it’s best just to wipe and reinstall Windows from scratch, but it wouldn’t hurt to poke around and see if there’s anything that you’ll actually find useful.


Also, Windows Defender is [probably] the best free antivirus you’ll find. Don’t worry about losing the antivirus that may have come with your computer, unless you buy the license it’s only going to make your computer worse.

I think it’s kinda funny how there are a lot of viruses for Macs now, and MacOS doesn’t come with any kind of antivirus; but with Windows you don’t even have to worry about installing antivirus!


#3

Pls define a lot, i have not had one and i have OSX for over 5 Years and i never tripped over a Virus.
For Apple users there is sops antivirus, it’s free for OS X, but comes with no official support but does a good job.
Use it once and then delete it again.

PS: sry, crappy 2 am grammar.


#4

I know there are antivirus program for MacOS, but nothing comes built-in from apple. And there are definitely viruses, malware, spyware, etc. for Macs; even for iOS and some Linux distros (include Android), though getting one of those is a little difficult.

I work in the IT department at my university, and ever semester I see maybe 1-2 viruses on Windows, and at least 8-10 Mac users coming in, terribly confused because “Macs can’t get viruses, but I have all these virus looking things on my computer!” Two weeks ago I had to reinstall MacOS on 4 different machines because we couldn’t clean everything off.

How do they get it? 98% of the time Googling “Free Movies/TV”.

It can actually be kinda hard to get some viruses on Windows

Most computer users shouldn’t just “trip over a virus”. Usually its people doing stupid things, and playing stupid games on Macs will also win stupid prizes.


#5

@Helios @iKirin @nawthor Perhaps this thread should be merged with…


#6

What does RAM have to do with anything of what you said? :smile:
No, seriously… If you want an antivirus, you can download it. If you want an insecure remote control app, you can download it. You can download ANY app you want, and you don’t need Eve to do that for you. Trust me, it’s better this way. Because I don’t want any of that HP crap on my computer, I want my antivirus, not HP proposed trial antivirus, etc. And I know many people who think the same way. Maybe when you buy a laptop the first thing you do is create a restore image, but for the majority the first thing they do is install clean Windows and forget about everything that was preinstalled.


#7

Sometimes OEMs include all their bloatware in the recovery partition. Basically the reset option extracts an image from the recovery partition, so it’s totally in the OEM’s hands what gets restored.
And regarding antivirus, I found Windows Defender to have lots of false positives, use a bit too much CPU during scanning and I wouldn’t trust its virus signature library completely. I use Eset, mainly because of less false positives.


#8

If you’re not useing an adblocker while looking for streams that’s your own fault.
If you download the movie you wanted to stream…
No OS can prohibit any of these.
If you catch known viruses you may have some additional save guard on Windows, but fresh stuff will rape your dear Harddisk too.


#9

I usually suggest Defender because it’s far less intrusive (kinda surprising for Microsoft actually), and it actually integrates well with Windows. But most importantly, it’s the easiest antivirus for users to install :wink:


I have seen Windows reset not use a recovery partition before, but usually I wipe any recovery partitions before reinstalling windows nowadays. It still annoys me that hardware OEMs have so much control over the OS - bloatware is bad enough, making it so hard to remove is just worse.

There is actually a wonderful way from Microsoft to install a clean version of Windows 10 (or to fix/repair your old version, without loss of programs or files) that is always better than using the reset option: Windows 10 Media Creation Tool


#10

This is nothing new. It’s called reinstall :slight_smile: Microsoft always had download links for Windows… 8, 7, Vista, you name it. You could always download the latest version of Windows if you had the product key. This “media creation tool” is just a fancy wrapper around their download links and the good old boot media creator they had before that :stuck_out_tongue:

But yeah, the reset option either uses recovery partition or requires you to insert install media


#11

I wholeheartedly agree that it’s [usually] the fault of the user that gets a virus, regardless of OS. I just find it a little funny that recently I’ve started seeing more and more viruses on MacOS, and a large decrease of viruses in Windows 10, yet Apple still holds the sentiment that their OS is immune.

I know plenty of people that have used Windows their whole life and never had a virus on their machines, same with Macs. It is all a matter of “play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”


#12

Eh… so what’s your point then? We all agree that people get viruses when they do stupid things. Do you want to say that people on Windows get viruses without doing anything stupid? That is so not true.


#13

This is true, the new part is being able to do a “non-destructive” reinstall of Windows, where you can fix everything that may be wrong with Windows itself, but not have to backup files and reinstall software, reconfigure things, etc.

As far as the reset option requiring install media, I’ve never run into that, there’s usually a image of Windows lying around that it will pull from (at least with 1511 and up, can’t remember about earlier).


#14

Nope, not new either. I’ve done that at least a couple times in Windows 8… Never used the options in settings, never bothered… I’m sure that option was there in Windows 7 installer too.

By image you mean ISO or WIM? ISO = the install media (as I said), WIM is the file it’s looking for inside the install media… No idea though how you would direct the reset process to the WIM file…


#15

Before Windows 10 either it wouldn’t keep programs (8 would only keep files I believed, and even then it was finicky) or it didn’t do a very thorough ‘fix’. 7 and below there was no ‘reinstall/install’ and ‘keep programs and/or files’. Not officially from Microsoft anywase.

And you don’t even need to know the product key!

Also, with the media creation tool, it’s just intuitive check boxes, no need for install media or a separate flash drive, just 1 little .exe can do all the hard work.


#16

If you choose to keep all your programs, this option doesn’t clean the OS properly, neither in Windows 8 nor 10. Especially if you want to clear the bloatware, haha…
Oh and you can double-click the ISO in Windows 8 and above. Upgrade works this way, you only need a USB drive if you want a clean install. So nothing new :slight_smile:


#17

No, my point was that it doesn’t matter if you have a free AV on your OS pre installed or not.
stupid ppl. will still catch the viruses.


#18

but what about synaptics , biometrics , different sensors and options ? , I think if I make clean installation for windows maybe many features go wrong and don’t work as it prepared for ! , then I ask myself why manufacturers don’t use Windows 10 pro Signature edition ? as regular OS for their devices !


#19

Yeah stupid people will get viruses. But the difference is just how stupid you have to be to get one. Without an antivirus, you have to be just slightly stupid, but if you have a good one you must be a real moron :smile:

@Poda Eve V runs Windows 10, it’s much more modern than Windows XP. With Windows XP and before it was true, you had to gather all the drivers yourself and manually install them. Nowadays you don’t need to do it. Windows 10 finds the right drivers for all the components on Windows Update, and device specific settings (such as color profile or auto brightness settings) are stored in UEFI. These settings don’t go away even if you wipe your hard drive and install a different OS, as they’re not stored on the hard drive at all.


#20

So no need for Manufacturers bloatware to get benefit from all functionality , just make Clean install for windows then full update ! right ?