Tell us what you think about smartphones


#14

here’s one of the many reasons why I do not like Android: it lasts 2 or most 3 years and then the OS becomes so obsolete that you can not use the browser anymore :(…


#15

Well I have iOS and I own an iPhone lol, I prefer android way more and it’s the only real option in the first place


#16

Maybe one day we will see true Linux based smartphones but as of right there’s still a long way to go.


#17

Agreed, that’s going to happen anytime soon. Apple and Google are too entrenched in the industry. If Microsoft’s and Amazon’s $$$ can’t crack the market, no one will. Maybe there’s hope once PWA matured enough, but that’s not gonna happen anytime soon.

Regardless of preferences, making an iOS phone means your competition is basically just Apple. If one doesn’t like Apple’s design decision in one way or another (ahem, headphone jack), you are the obvious option.

If one doesn’t like the Samsung S10, there are 626496284 alternatives out there, and marketing plays a huge role at it. Count how many new Chinese brands show up (and disappear) everyday, and now count how many of those are actually making a decent amount of profit. As far as I know, only Samsung, Huawei, and BBK (Oppo, OnePlus, Vivo) are actually making profit off the hardware, all of which have the strongest marketing, and most importantly, massive conglomerates with deep pockets and government backing

While I agree the performance on high-end SoC can sometimes be overkill, there are some reasons why you might still want it:

  • (most important) Efficiency and Battery Life Usually high-end SoC are built using the latest and greatest lithography, which as of today is 7nm. Meanwhile mid-end SoC are built using the cheaper, less efficient one. Missing out on the latest process/lithography is a huge deal in efficiency, we are looking at 25-50% improvement in power consumption. There is also the concept of “race-to-sleep” where finishing the same task in 1 second at 2 GHz and then sleep for 1 second, nets less power than limping along 1 GHz for 2 seconds.
  • Advanced Features Certain camera features (e.g dual camera) requires support from the ISP (Image Signal Processor), and this is usually exclusive to higher-end phones. Same with Hey Cortana / OK Google / Hey Siri wake word, it requires a specific support from the SoC
  • Newest standards Usually the latest standards such as 5G, WiFi 6, UFS, etc. is only supported on the latest SoC, which brings me to my next point…
  • Longevity Sure it might be overkill to have the most powerful phone today, but 3-4 years from now, the situation would be very different. Apps and websites are getting heavier all the time. Carriers, routers, and peripherals/accessories are adopting the latest standards, it would be great to be able to take advantage of the newest standards, or at least simply not be the “lowest common denominator”. That brings me to my last point…
  • Resale value 4-year old phones with low to mid-range SoC are dirt cheap for the reasons above.

#20

I think that it is right to seek the best performance.
But, it will be white elephant for me.
Where to put cost is important.Home PC, mobile PC and mobile phone,I am thinking in total.

First of all, how to use my mobile phone.
SMS, mail, navigation, take notes, listening to music ,It is not needed high performance.It suffices if codec also support apt-x. Even better if support LDAC.

The important thing to me is want to take notes with pen input on a mobile phone.So now I have to choose Samsung Galaxy Note. I want a new option.

also,Since I use up until the end, I do not think of resale value.


#21

currently using
Huawei P20 Pro

requirements to create an interesting device
There are hundrets of different smartphone models. There’s something for literally everyone. I don’t see a chance for EVE to create a device that is really superior in any discipline (camera, battery life, design, performance, screen,…) except of one: Operating system.
Built a smartphone with Android and Windows 10 ARM. But still here I have to say, if the camera is worse than on the P20 Pro I’d probably not buy it. And I fear EVE hasn’t the resources to put that much effort in hardware and software for such an excellent camera… But that’s only me :slight_smile: :confused:


#22

Still a happy user of the lumia 950 (2 sim) :scream:, mostly because its excellent camera and a more than decent sound.
A new phone should have a good sound reproduction and the same or better quality camera.
A two sims option is obligatory too.


#23

Do you agree?


#24

What!?
I’m using now.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


I have three batteries.It can used for a Long long distance.:rocket:
Even if the battery can not be used,I will not replace the main unit.:moneybag:


#25

What smartphone are you using now?
Fairphone 2

What are the top 3 things you would never sacrifice on a smartphone?
Replaceable battery
Long lasting battery (more than 2 days)
Damaged screen can easily be replaced

If you can choose to sacrifice 3 things on your smartphone to make it cheaper, what are they?
NFC
QI charging
High end camera

There are already so many brands with many great products in the industry, is there still a unique value or innovation that Eve & the community could bring to smartphones?
Modular phone: basic version has just standard level modules for screen, camera, network. Then you can buy better modules, if you like.

Describe the next smartphone you want to buy (it can already be on the market, or maybe you want Eve to make it)
I want to keep my smartphone for 4-5 years and Android updates should be available all lifetime.


#26

+1 one for modularity.

I’d love to see someone give something like Project Ara another go.


#27

Current Phone:
Samsung Notes & Xiaomi Mi Mix.

Top 3 Things
Dual Sim cards
Battery life - I need a phone at least last a whole day, I charge my phones every night.
Stylus - With inbuilt slot like Samsung

Sacrifice
NFC
QI Charge
Front Camera
Fingerprint reader
Loudspeaker - I always use bluetooth earpiece

For me the ultimate phone would be one with a combination of both of my current phones the beauty of the Mix with an inbuilt stylus like the Note.

I love the size of both and it means I don’t need to carry around a tablet as much for business meetings.


#28
  • What smartphone are you using now?
    iPhone SE 32 GB

  • What are the top 3 things you would never sacrifice on a smartphone?
    small (4") size (a phone that does not comfortably fit in just any pocket is neither “mobile” nor particularly “smart”), battery life, dual SIM (I admit my iPhone was some sort of compromise :sweat_smile:)

  • If you can choose to sacrifice 3 things on your smartphone to make it cheaper, what are they?
    NFC (don’t even know whether my phone has it, got no use for it anyways), fancy cover (metal unibody…), super-high screen resolution

  • There are already so many brands with many great products in the industry, is there still a unique value or innovation that Eve & the community could bring to smartphones?
    When trying to find a replacement for my old Lumia 532, I noticed that small 4" phones have nearly died out, the ones available are mostly completely low-end devices. On the other hand, a number of people seem to forget their dislike for Apple when they see my phone and remember how small and handy such a thing can be. There might be a rewarding niche here.

  • Describe the next smartphone you want to buy (it can already be on the market, or maybe you want Eve to make it)
    The next phone I’d like to buy (hopefully not for years) is actually quite similar to my current iPhone SE (I’ll spare you the details as they can easily be looked up), apart from a few things:

  • USB connector (seriously, why the heck would you not use a de-facto industry standard?)

  • dual SIM (more would be an additional bonus - it’s a very useful asset as I travel quite a bit, like to keep control over who I’m available for and have found the possibility to switch networks for stability’s or cost’s sake any time quite handy. - crying tears I’ve sacrificed this for the sake of a comfortable size in my current phone - bigger size would be a dealbreaker for me)

  • microSD slot

  • more battery life and replaceable battery (by which I mean easily replacable - open cover, switch batteries, close cover)

  • better camera - I’d be particularly interested in an implementation of a system I’ve read about a few months ago essentially using the concept of a periscope to win space for optical zoom (I have a fear it might be patented though :wink: )


#29

Using Motorola G6 plus

never sacrifice - day long plus battery

sacrifice - phablet size screen - feel up to 6" most - as fits in all sorts of pockets

In terms of other questions feel a crowded market would make life difficult esp with phones like this en route

https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/phones/moto/moto-g-series/motog7-power/p/PMIPMBU20M3


#30

-What smartphone are you using now?
LG G6. Samsung S10 is on it’s way.

-What are the top 3 things you would never sacrifice on a smartphone?
Multi-lens camera (ultra-wide mandatory), battery life, minimal bezels, ability to work on CDMA based carriers. I’d have a very hard time giving up removable storage because the cost of a phone with 512mb+ is insane.

-If you can choose to sacrifice 3 things on your smartphone to make it cheaper, what are they?
Most powerful processor, fingerprint sensor, front camera (I NEVER use it). I might be able to be convinced to give up the headphone jack for more battery.

-There are already so many brands with many great products in the industry, is there still a unique value or innovation that Eve & the community could bring to smartphones?
New phone for the Google Fi network. Windows if that comes back to life. Flagship phone in a smaller package. Rugged option.

-Describe the next smartphone you want to buy (it can already be on the market, or maybe you want Eve to make it)
Size somewhere in the neighborhood of the Samsung 10e/10 and iPhone X/XS, IP68 or Ruggedized design, triple lens camera (Wide/Normal/Tele) with great night performance and fast auto focus or something like the Nokia 9 but with variable focal length, decent processor (power efficiency is more important than computing power) and go heavy on RAM, 128GB storage, removable storage, 2 day battery life or removable battery, case material that supports use in cold weather (I mean cold- I want my phone to work well down to 0F), USB C, headphone jack, speaker(s) that works well (doesn’t need to be amazing), no selfie camera, good screen (good color and the ability to see it outside are more important than resolution) with minimal bezels, ability to run Android and Windows (if iOS was possible I’d say do it), I don’t care about WiFi 6 or 5G right now, newest BT would be good tho, works with every carrier system, Google Fi certified, MODULAR and user serviceable.


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#31

I agree with this post strongly. I want a phone the size of OnePlus X with killer battery life and awesome camera. Screen shouldn’t suck, gotta be LED, and bezels gotta be near as good as Samsung’s 10e. Never use front facing cam, finger print is nice and I’d miss it tbh if excluded, nfc is debatable in terms of necessity.


#32

Using Pixel XL and iPhone 5s.

Never sacrifice: front bezel design, battery, speed

Would sacrifice: if a non SD chip can do similar work I’m ok with that. Speakers (slightly), and thickness (slightly)

If Eve can do it cheaper, less middlemen, with similar specs and design, I’m game

I thought the Nexus 4 was a fantastic phone. Same with the pixel and nexus 6p. Pure unaltered experience. No risk of bloatware, goofy Samsung skin, reasonable price (nexus 4 for sure). And no risk of spyware. If Eve can source a good display, solid RAM and chip, I’d be game. It can be done - it’s just that Samsung and apple know people will pay lots for the name


#33
  • What smartphone are you using now?

Oneplus 6

*What are the top 3 things you would never sacrifice on a smartphone?

Speed, battery life and timely updates

  • If you can choose to sacrifice 3 things on your smartphone to make it cheaper, what are they?

build quality, water resistance, screen resolution of 400+ ppi

  • There are already so many brands with many great products in the industry, is there still a unique value or innovation that Eve & the community could bring to smartphones?

there are no more flagships (or premium mid-tier) under 6", they all look kind of the same and everybody seems to think users love the shit they throw over android. Kudos for apple for being the only one selling a flagship smaller than 6" and keeping a clean software (although it’s ridiculously expensive).

  • Describe the next smartphone you want to buy (it can already be on the market, or maybe you want Eve to make it)
  • a mid range snapdragon without all the bells and whistles

  • 1080p screen that’s around 5" - 5.5" so it fits in one hand and doesn’t consume battery like chrome does ram

  • Good camera (don’t care how many sensors, just want a good output)

  • Usb-pd support so I can use the fast chargers I already have

  • NO NOTCH!!! Just put symmetrical bezels around the screen (preferably with stereo front facing speakers like HTC used to do)

  • A fingerprint reader that is (on order of preference) 1: under the screen, 2: side mounted, 3: centralized on the back

  • Sturdy build, no glass on the back, something that looks like batman would use


#36

So far none of the phones I or my relatives have owned had any problems with that. Winters here get down to -25C or -13F. That includes glass, metal, plastic… they all work just fine.


#37

In the average use case where the phone is spending most of it’s time in a pocket or you are indoors more than outdoors, sure, they all work fine. That’s not my experience with extended outdoor use though.

We use phones and tablets for outdoor ticket sales and there is a noticable difference, especially with iPhones. The glass cased models last hours longer. Over the years we would see longer battery life with Android phones that had plastic bodies. I’ve taken my iPad Mini 3 out to do GPS mapping when it’s 45F and raining. It shuts off in half the time it normally lasts in warmer/dryer temps. I used my LG G6 (glass case) the other day in 15F (plus wind chill) on two 8 minute chairlift rides and watched the battery drain at more than twice it’s normal rate. That’s better than my G5 (metal) did but worse than my G3 (plastic) did in the cold.

In all of those scenarios the devices will show that still has significant battery life once you get them warmed up and powered back on. Obviously, case material isn’t the only factor but it has been a common denominators in my uses.