Tell us what you think about All-in-One computers


#21

I’m a recording engineer/mixer/producer. I use my V for travel only. My main computer is a home-made desktop I built from readily available state-of-the-art components. An AIO is not for me. I cannot afford downtime that would come with an AIO screen failure, ps failure, etc. And, I need many drives, video cards, audio features, and connectivity, cooling, that AIO’s cannot match. If it needs to be fixed, I fix it the same day, with easily available components.

I purchased a fancy ASUS AIO for my wife, she is not a computer geek, and she loves it. It’s an I7 with an SSD and a hard drive, She has a HP Spectre laptop for backup. I believe a backup is necessary for an AIO if you business depends on uptime. FWIW her Asus does not cost nearly as much as a Surface, with specs that are similar, but it does not fold flat. It may be a reasonable model for EVE. Asus makes some of the best motherboards.

Price would depend on options. I would want 27", 4k, touchscreen, a current i7, non glare, easy access to drives, accurate color, and a modern graphics card (not stock). Less than $2000.


#22
  • I am a designer working in a startup, working mostly on the go. I really like to be able to not being fixed in one “usual” environment.

  • In my opinion, AIO has two main strengths:

  1. It is a one-stop-shop purchase
  2. the form factor allows a clean and neat solution for your desk. On the other hand, I feel this comes with design limitations that can impact the performances of the device.
  • I have to be honest. I do not know much about this product category and overall it is not the type of product I would be looking for (with the current product offer :wink: ). I am more for a powerful laptop + amazing screen (as separate items) kind of guy :gorilla:

BUT

  • If I was to choose an AIO, I would NOT compromise on:
  1. performance of the machine
  2. quality of the screen
  3. ports selection
  • If I was to choose an AIO, I could compromise on:
  1. size of the device (thickness)
  2. sound quality
  3. hinge and touchscreen
  • MAX price of 1400 Euro

#23

I have great fear of Apple’s modular and “upgradable” MacPro…
They always tend to do things with a “hitch”.
As far as I can guess, the modules will have a proprietary connection port and I hope that the “guts” will be upgradable.
I always respected for that the MacPro line before the “trash can”…
So I actually bought a MacPro from 2009 because of it’s upgradability, it’s really good product.
Added all.
Flashed it and cleaned and then upgraded with
CPU’s which I delidded with a vice, RAM in three channel setup, M2 SSD as boot, USB3.1, two SSD’s in RAID0, a 4Tb HDD as a backup and main storage and a 580 pulse.
Works like a charm.
I’m really really pleased with what I have and for so so cheap…


#24
  1. I am a developer.
  2. I like to be able to use my AIO like a tablet for when I’m working out and watching Pluralsight or Coursera videos. But when I want to get work done, then I turn to my computer being a laptop. Best computer on the market so far is something along the lines of the Surface Pro (which lacks in ports, but makes up in power and portability).
  3. A powerful tablet computer that can dual boot Linux and Windows/MacOS effectively.
  4. $2k

#25

I’m a software test engineer, software support member and designer.
I would never buy an AIO because of the lack of upgrade ability. But my employer might. It needs to be vesa mounted however.


#26

I’m a VR engineer. I’d love something like a Surface studio at a reasonable price.

  • High end CPU / GPU to run model / animate in 3D and connect to VR.
  • Excellent touch screen + pen ala Cintiq (ie: better than the Surface Studio for pen).
  • Large screen (32’?)
  • Excellent arm stand like the surface studio (or better).
  • Spare PCIe 1x slot (maybe external access to keep box small): for the Vive.
    If possible:
  • Detachable screen (like a tablet? no GPU)
  • More than 24 bits colors (not possible?) for high-end photography
  • normal quality speakers in the base
  • Dual boot of course
  • Upgradable (or configurable): memory, SSD, GPU

#27

Any examples of screens you find have these kinds of screens. As far as I know 10 bit is pro grade. But might be off here.


#28

HDR is 10-bit, while its true 10-bit is mostly on pro grade monitors today, it will be commonplace on consumer grade products very soon. Most mid to high-end TVs are already 10-bit (HDR), correct me if I’m wrong


#29

I tought most 10 bit panels are more 8+2


#30
  • Describe yourself as a user

I’m a software developer with a knack for gaming and basically everything tech-related.

  • What are your main use cases for an AIO computer? How is it better than other form factors?

Honestly - no main use case. I’d rather argue it’s worse than most other form-factors except for the space-saving.
So, why is it even worse? Well, let me tell you a personal story - I bought a desktop and a new monitor seperately over 7 years ago. Up until christmas I’ve updated the PC ~10 times(mostly incremental - one big switch away from the old CPU to a new one) and my monitor stayed with me until I upgraded to a new one on christmas.
This would not have been possible with an AiO - the marriage of the PC to the montior is hindering upgrades & making it hard.

  • What is the best AIO computer available on the market today?

I feel pretty much the Surface Studio - talked with a few artists colleagues and that was the only thing that they were excited about.

  • What’s missing in the market currently? What unique value or innovation could Eve & the community bring to this product category?

Imagine an AiO… without the parts that get obsolete in 2 years. An AiO that everyone can customize to their OWN needs… That’s right - an AiO-like monitor (read: Surface Studio) that’s just that - a quacking great screen!
Add the option for touch/pen support (The latest Surface tech?) and make that accessible to any connected PC - boom. I know not only one art studio that’d be interested in grabbing one of these babies.

  • What is a fair price point for this kind of product?

I’m against an AiO. But for a standalone AiO like monitor? 500€? Maybe even more as this would not be really targeted towards consumers but rather companies.


#31

What about an AiO that can be used as external monitor (maybe with pen input)

As for space saving. I feel that a monitor with build in laptop dock would be just as effective :stuck_out_tongue:


#32

I was thinking the same but then asked myself - why would I want an AiO with a Pc built in if I don’t use the PC that is built in? That’s just a monitor that costs more!

Honestly, I’d not mind having a TB3 connection that can provide 45W or so of power in such a device - also gives you displayport


#33

Describe yourself as a user:

  • Aerospace Engineering undergraduate student, currently using no less than 3 computers simultaneously. 1 SP3, 1 Eve V and one Lenovo 720s 14". I’ve been using OneNote as my primary study device for 3 years now and never carry paper with me. Big techie.

What are your main use cases for an AIO computer? How is it better than other form factors?

  • None, being a student I’m more into mobile stuff, and if I were to get a stationary computer I’d get something which would be upgradeable. Also I have no use professional use that can justify buying an expensive AIO like the Surface Studio.

What is the best AIO computer available on the market today?

  • Surface Studio, hands down. But never something I’d buy.

What’s missing in the market currently? What unique value or innovation could Eve & the community bring to this product category?

  • AIO with upgradeability and ability to stay useful over many years. I’m thinking EVE should offer a Surface Studio esque screen with pen input, that has a base which can house a mini ITX computer. So the EVE Screen and the EVE Base is sold seperately and can be used separately but together bring the ultimate experience. This EVE Base would then be sold new components over its lifetime. Or just be able to use standard format components. The base should also be FLAT and made with Premium outer material.

What is a fair price point for this kind of product?

  • EVE Screen: 550$
  • EVE Base: 700$-2250$ depending on spec. Where the highest spec should be something like: latest “consumer” i7, RTX 2070, 512GB SSD, 32GB of RAM. Obviously these specs are a bit crazy and delivering power to them would be an issue. Also cooling would need to be done smartly. It might be worth looking into mobile components, but then it loses a big chunk of its upgradeability instead relying on new compatible components to come from EVE.

#34

I`m a equatorial environment specialist.
No use for a AIO because of field work demands.


#36

First of all: I want an AiO for so long just because it looks good, but two points always stopped me from buying it: price and power.

And all the points made here really made me think that maybe a cleverly dwsigned case with an integrated/integratable screen is the key here.
The coolest cases, because of their cooling to me are the NSG S0 with it’s phase shifting cooling (which sadly seems to have failed) and the The First (which emerged out of the ruins :D).

So, what I’d love would be, if eve could team up with a company that can develop top notch fanless cooling and design a case with an integrated screen or one added to it that can fit regular desktop hardware in it (or maybe small form factor motherboards) .
Bonus points, if it’s possible to add large fans just in case you need them and do all that as a base for a hinge/screen like the Surface Studio.

I know that this will probably too much to handle for a company like eve, but imagining a small box packed with (exchangeable) high-end hardware by the consumer, complete silence in every use case, except for the most extreme in which it is still silent due to large fans, and a superb touch screen with hinge and pen would be a dream come true for me :blush:

Close to that would be a small form factor fanless case like The First by MonsterLabo (link above, if you’re a skip reader), which I could hook up to the TV in my living room and use for gaming. The problem with the First for me is that I’m not sure, if it can handle the TDP since it’s “just” cleverly designed passive cooling and not something like phase shifting cooling, which is probably the way to go for fanless designs.


#37

I’d argue a fan running at low speed is barely perceptible to human years, while it would make a world of a difference in cooling performance. The best examples are the “trashcan” Mac Pro and Corsair One. They have workstation-grade hardware and yet barely make any noise due to the cleverly designed cooling system. The Corsair One one (great name!) is particularly interesting since it uses standard PC watercooling radiators, except where it traditionally require 6+ fans (2 case fans + 2 fans for each radiator), Corsair only uses a cleverly-positioned one.


#38

That’s why I would combine clever passive cooling with large fans.
As long as the PC is in idle or under medium load, e.g. watching movies, playing music, looking at pictures, surfing, most games, it’s just dead silent. And… ehm… it saves energy? :sweat_smile:
And when you need the big guns you have a slow large fan doing the rest for you :slight_smile:
The main problem will be to get it small enough to put it on your desk with a hinge+screen added to it and still provide complete modularity with standard hardware…