New Design Idea for a tablet/laptop hybrid

#22

Keyboard itself can be made detachable.
Popping out of the base.
NOBODY has that :sunglasses:

#23

The issue with this is, all the hardware has to be put inside the screen, making the “laptop” top-heavy. If you want to compensate with that, the laptop just becomes heavy.

The reason current laptops can get this thin and still work properly on an actual lap, is because they’re bottom heavy making it a sturdy surface to work on.

You want to have the least possible components in the screen and put all the weight in the keyboard part.

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#24

I am very much aware of that and still…
I am confident that it is possible without a problem :sunglasses:
But it’s in my head only the solution :grimacing:

#25

That is a very interesting concept! Clearly V2 project will be very interesting !

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#26

I am sorry if that was unclear, but it has always been my intention to put most of the hardware in the base, not in the screen. This of course, like you said, to have a stable laptop with most of the weight at the bottom. Perhaps my video was ambiguous. I tried to make the device as thin as physically possible - like I said, the video represents a kind of dream device, the final stage I would like to reach. I also added bezels at the bottom of the base (keyboard) to make it look even thinner, so perhaps that’s why you imagined the hardware was in the screen. Here is a side view where you can see that the base is actually twice thicker than the display.


These dimensions may not be very realistic for now. As I stressed earlier, the thickness is not so important. Ideally, I would like the device to be thin, but if we need a total thickness of 2.5cm to accommodate the pen, the double hinge, and all the hardware, that is fine, as long the weight is not excessive (1.5kg is the max). I could make another mock-up video with a thicker base and screen to make it more realistic.

By the way, the devices I mentioned earlier that use a double-hinge mechanism (Samsung ATIV Q, Sony VAIO Duo, Sony VAIO Flip, and HP Spectre Folio) all have their components in the bottom. The display part only has the screen and is therefore quite light and thin (like the screen part of a regular laptop).
Really, what I am proposing is nothing far-fetched technically: basically just a lightweight laptop with a screen that is attached by two hinges instead of one, and a place where to safely store the pen.

PS - I also like the leather on the Spectre Folio! I must say I would be quite happy with the Folio if its screen ratio was 3:2 instead of 16:9 and if it had a proper pen storage. Unfortunately, it does not seem possible to have the leather cover on the design I proposed. Leather also adds some cost.

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#27

Thanks! :slight_smile:

#28

This is a brilliant 2-1 concept, and I’d definitely want something like this, even if it was around 1.3kg. It’s basically a better version of flippable 2-1’s like the Lenovo Yoga series and some Dell and HP. Though it’s more of a laptop than a tablet, but personally I’m fine with that. Making a larger PC would hopefully also allow more powerful components to be put in. Having something equivalent to the i7 8550U and MX150 in something like this would be amazing.

However, the two issues I can see are:

  1. The screen would be unprotected when in a backpack. So a screen protector would be a must.
  2. The small extrusions on the base for the “Drawing mode” configuration would potentially be uncomfortable when resting your wrist on it. Could potentially be solved by having extrusions on the screen part and holes in the base instead.

I fully believe we can make this device at around 2cm thickness. I once had a gaming laptop with an i7 8750H and GTX1060 at 18.9mm! Though the battery was the same capacity as the Eve V. I don’t think adding in the holder for the pen would take much height. The current Eve V pen is 9.5mm. Adding that you’d need maybe 2mm of material on top and bottom of it the total thickness requirement wouldn’t be any more than around 15mm.

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#29

Yes, a screen protector or a pouch bag would be needed.

Yes. I put the extrusions to show that the display would be locked in a stable position in drawing mode. This is a cheap way of doing it, and it could be uncomfortable indeed. I like your idea, although I cannot yet visualize how it could be done. Another solution, a bit more expensive, would be to have magnets at the bottom of the display that would stick to the base at the right location, and/or some sort of rubbery finish on the base that would prevent the display from gliding.

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#30

My reaction with putting hardware in the screen part was a reaction to what @Ervin said above it :stuck_out_tongue:

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#31

I thought he was talking about a keyboard module not the entire base :smiley:

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#32

Now after looking at it again I think it’s a brilliant concept ! One question that I have is how can we make tablet part detachable? I am not sure it’s 100% needed but I think with structure like this the weight and thickness will be way too much for a tablet but if we could make it detachable that would make it substantially more usable. I though really like the idea of components In the base as it would allow for much better cooling as there will be no screen in front emitting heat and insulating device

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#33

In essence, we replicate Surface Book.
We put CPU and some battery in the screen part.

Rest can be placed on bottom part.
Battery, storage, GPU.

Keyboard module, like that sheep said :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:, is detachable and it has a small battery for few hours only. Once back in base, it recharges.
Maybe it should have a small joystick to compensate for trackpad but I don’t think it’s necessary.
If it’s in Studio position, one uses pen anyway.

The screen part can be made to detach at the base part, leaving so the swivel to hold it as the V would.

Personally, I am against detaching the screen part.
In the screen part should be only CPU and huuuge cooling, using as much space behind the screen as possible. Openings on top and bottom using natural laws of thermodynamics for cooling.
No fan needed.

This should be a laptop.

A TRANSFORMERS LAPTOP :sunglasses:

A laptop.
A studio.
A tablet.

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#34

Actually, this design is not supposed to have any detachable part (either screen or keyboard). If the screen was detachable, then it would have to house the CPU, making it even thicker. And the laptop mode would not be bottom-heavy any more (therefore unstable). It would also be confusing how to use a screen that moves on a double hinge and can also be detached.

This design is just a different concept from detachable 2in1s like Surface Pro, Surface Book or the Eve V. Sure enough, as several people have pointed out, the drawback of this non-detachable design is that the tablet mode has all the weight of the device. But the advantage is that it is much easier to use. As I argued earlier, the convenience of having a single device that is stable in laptop mode and smoothly turns into a tablet overcomes (at least in my experience) the extra weight. It depends of course on your usage, but typically this machine would be a good compromise for people would need a comfortable laptop computer for productive work, a stable drawing-board tablet, and an occasional hand-held tablet all in a single device. Like @LazerCut, I believe that even if the device weighs 1.3kg, it would still be interesting.
I would suggest Eve engineers to make mock-up versions of this design out of carboard with extra stuff to adjust the weight (I think this what Microsoft engineers did when they were looking for the optimal size and weight of the Surface). This is very cheap to do and you can try for yourself the user experience of holding the device and transforming it.

If holding the device in tablet mode for long times is a priority, then detachable designs like the Surface Pro/Eve V or Surface Book, or just plain tablets are better. But such designs have been around in the market for several years now. I think it is more interesting to develop something new, and also something oriented towards the future. As technology will enable to produce lighter and lighter portable computers (with processors consuming less power), the detachable designs will become obsolete and designs such as the one I’m proposing will become more relevant.

I understand what you have in mind, and it is interesting in principle, but I don’t think it is very realistic to have a detachable keyboard on this design. First, it adds an engineering complication. Even it was possible, then removing the keyboard would leave a gap between the base and the screen. Second, it adds ergonomics complication. As I argued before, attaching and reattaching stuff is not the best user experience. I think most people want something plain simple that works smoothly. That’s what this design is for.

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#35

@TristanSchaaf Sorry about that, I did not realize you were responding to that comment!

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#36

I’m with you on the non-detachable keyboard with this design. I would want this in place of a laptop, not as an option that fills the space in my device quiver that’s occupied by the V or another tablet/2in1. I think it would be very useful for artists who need a portable version of the Surface Studio.

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#37

Actually, I would totally use this design in tablet mode almost all the time. Currently, I have a ‘heavyweight’ VAIO Z Canvas that I hold comfortably in portrait mode for multi-hour design sessions. I rarely ever take the keyboard cover with me, because of the inconvenience.

As a tablet user, I want the keyboard to ‘disappear’ when I’m not using it. Detachable designs need to folded back or detached and reversed (excessive manipulation). If the keyboard does not stay connected in tablet mode (eg. Z Canvas), you have to find some place to put it, which is cumbersome in limited spaces.

So take his from a hardcore tablet PC user, your design is excellent for the traveling power user. :+1:

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#38

Possible to add a rotating thingy so as to put the screen in portrait mode without changing the keyboard position? I’m not an engineer in any way so you may laugh at me :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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#39

That is a surprising and interesting suggestion. You mean to be able to rotate the screen to a portrait orientation while using the device as a laptop. I can see how this could be useful to edit a document with the keyboard in a word processor, while having the screen in portrait orientation to fit a whole A4 page on the screen.

I am afraid however that there are not many chances to be able to achieve that. First of all, you can see that even if you have a rotating joint, you cannot rotate the screen because it would bump into the base. One solution would be to be able to elevate the screen position before rotating it, the other solution would be to build the arm-screen hinge away from the middle of the screen so that when unfolded the screen appears high enough to be rotated. However, both solutions look unreasonable.

In the first case, we would need an extra slider and pivot between the arm and the screen, so in total three pivots and a slider. Not sure how one can guarantee a safe mechanical and electrical connection between the base and the screen with so many junctions. It would need a thick and complicated mechanism. Besides, with all the rotating and sliding parts, it would become confusing to use.

In the second case, the price to pay is to have the screen constantly elevated when using it in landscape orientation. It is interesting, but it would look a bit odd. Most of the time, people would just want to use the device as a regular laptop with screen in landscape orientation, and I am not sure they would like this odd-looking elevated position.

In any case, it would require extra engineering and extra thickness. And the modest benefit would not justify the extra complications in my opinion. Unless someone has a genius idea, I cannot see any reasonable way to do it.

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#40

Is it possible to transfer the screen data via pogo pins? if that’s the case we could transfer everything through pogo pins and have several rings between which contact the pogo pins. That way you could make it 360 rotatable? Though I’m unsure about the lifetime of such an solution.

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#41

Yes, it can be done.
Just remember Surface Book :wink: