Intel Thunderbolt 3 is now royalty-free


#1

Hey everyone,

Just a quick word for those interested in hardware. The Intel Thunderbolt 3 protocol will now be royalty Free and the host controllers will be integrated in future Intel CPUs. Which could make tablets and smartphones much more interesting if they have Thunderbolt 3 in it. Getting that sweet 40 Gbps connection to a hard drive or external graphics would be interesting.

Source: https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/envision-world-thunderbolt-3-everywhere/?_ga=2.92995806.2147278404.1495711903-1038125605.1495656450


#2

40Gbps to a hard drive with a max read of 160MB/s :joy: Even SSDs don’t need that kind of speed. But yeah, external graphics will be the way to go. I can envisage everyone with just a ‘phone’ in the future which they dock for more processing power, connectivity and charging. Samsung has already started with the S8 (albeit a lot more basic!)


#3

Samsung? Seriously? So you’ve never heard about Continuum? :expressionless:

@ShinraCorp I’m afraid you’re too late with the news :smile:

https://eve.community/t/what-egpu-solutions-and-thunderbolt-devices-v-should-support-thunderbolt-certification/3872/103?u=pauliunas&source_topic_id=6839

#4

Yeah, but for Windows Phone which at the moment is pretty much dead… nice to see other devices following the trend (and being a major player a lot more likely to have an impact)


#5

Being a major player doesn’t help too much when they’re using Android… Android apps don’t scale at all, the tablet experience is quote terrible, not to mention using it with a mouse and keyboard… I’m not saying Continuum is perfect - quite the opposite, the selection of apps is really limited and that desktop experience doesn’t even come close to full Windows - but let’s not argue that Windows Store apps scale all the way from phone to desktop incredibly well.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that it wasn’t Samsung who started it :slight_smile:


#6

Does this mean pc’s with an AMD build could offer now tb3 in future ?


#7

Yeah, UWP is much better equipped for the task of scaling to a desktop than any ios or android system. UWP is showing really good potential with Centennial conversions right now, hopefully it keeps moving along and we can see some renewed interest in mobile/continuum.


#8

Because it is royalty Free now, technical AMD can implement it either with their CPUs/APUs or a seperate Thunderbolt host controller chip onto.

This is good for the industry as a whole.

@pauliunas Whoops didn’t notice it!


#9

The problem is that desktop apps don’t scale either. So if you just port them to UWP, they won’t start scaling well… The GUI needs to be written from scratch in UWP for that to work.


#10

That’s great, so apple could bring AMD CPUs to their future iMac’s and pros.


#11

I keep reminding myself from a similar conversation I had years ago, when IBM came out with the IBM AT and it had a gasp, 20 MB hard drive. My position at the time was I could not envision why anyone would need or care about 20 MB for storage, and all of you who are chuckling should be chuckling why we think that a 40 GBPS connection would result in the same fate. We cant use it today, but that doesn’t mean that it would be a requirement shortly.


#12

Yeah, but if we get to these speeds, I feel infrastructure needs to work on internet speeds first, so that this connection would serve a purpose.

Seems kind of ridiculous to me to have a 40GBps port hardware connection when most internet connections are still between 5-10 megabits per second (in the United States, at least). (Source: https://statetechmagazine.com/article/2013/02/average-internet-connection-speed-every-state-america)

It would take so long to download the data, that having a port with that bandwidth to import and export the data becomes nearly irrelevant.

(Yes, I realize I’m talking about Gigabits vs Megabytes , but I hope you get my point.)


#13

I just wanted to add that it doesn’t necessarily need to be connected. If I have 1 Tb of data on my device that I want to share quickly to another device next to me, then a 40 Gb/s port is a bliss. Regardless of a good or bad internet connection :stuck_out_tongue: I understand your point though :wink:


#14

There’s quite a long time until such fast drives will become widespread… There is a lack of supply for NAND storage and even if that’s taken care of, really few people max out their SSDs now, the processing power is not there yet to demand that speed.

We are probably going to hit the 7nm wall before the general public needs SSDs faster than 10Gbps (I mean pretty much everyone except a few extreme cases)… So we’re talking about a totally new type of processors, something else than silicon. That is not happening anytime soon.