*** This post is part of the Donald Dock project development.
*** Please check the master thread for whole project information
Purpose: understand and decide what product type for the project
Duration: 15.11.2017 – 22.11.2017
Wow, wow, wow, we didn’t expect such explosive discussion in Step 2.2 – this is really an awesome community!
And I am sorry that I couldn’t participated in the discussion, as you know producing the V is still priority number 1 and I really had to focus in China!
In the past few days, with Dario’s help, I went through your comments in the previous post. And here is my summary, overall understandings, and add-on of the topics with most concerns.
- Fast: up to 40Gbps speed, fastest option now in the market;
- All-In-One solution: one port for video, storage, charging, and more; daisy chain possibility)
- Industrial trend: more compatible peripherals in the future)
- Expensive: additional certification cost + higher engineering cost + higher components cost
- High entry barrier: Intel requires the sales volume of every Thunderbolt 3 device to reach at least 10K, otherwise we cannot get any support from Intel
For feather weight, TB3 will make it too pricey and the benefit is not obvious for its use cases.
For light weight and middle weight, as “dual monitor or even more” and “future proofing” are popular needs, besides, V also support TB3, so it make sense to use TB3.
For super weight with eGPU, TB3 is mandatory.
I am sorry to say but this time we wouldn’t go to a modular design for Donald Dock. Here are the reasons.
- No volume support. One purpose for modularity is to reduce the product price: providing a range of modules, and consumers only buy the modules they need to build up the product – do not waste money for unneeded features. However, to reach this purpose, high volume is required for each module. Otherwise the result is opposite – price become higher because of non-recurring engineering cost for each module.
- Higher risk. Modularity will significantly increase the difficulty for design, including aesthetics, structure, and circuit. It’s also harder to find suppliers and partners to cooperate.
- User experience may be compromised: “Just one plug-in for all peripherals and power supply” is one of the most mentioned need from Step 2.1. Let’s assume we modularize feather weight and middle weight: take feather weight module on the go and attach it to the middle weight at home. But every time of attaching/detaching you also need to plug-in/plug-out all the peripherals connected to the feather weight.
Modularity is cool, and I am sure it will make Donald Dock unique and special. But modularity is not a need. It’s just one of the methods to fit the needs. If this method is not suitable, then we should probably use another one.
Power supply unit (charger)?
Light weight VS middle weight?
The idea of light weight is for the people who sometimes need to carry Donald Dock moving from different places, and feather weight is not sufficient.
Middle weight is primarily used at home/office, with more ports, features, and power.
If you just want to use the Donald Dock to connect some core peripherals (display, speakers, keyboard & mouse, SD card, hard drive), possible with PSU integrated, light weight can just fit that purpose. However, if you need something more, like dual 4K displays, daisy chain, a bunch of other USB devices, and they all need to work at the same time with high performance, middle weight is the choice.
Middle weight 1 VS middle weight 2?
Middle weight 2 share the same features of middle weight 1, in addition, it can also holds your notebook to different angle. The design from @LazerCut is a very good example, and I personally love it!
However, Donald Dock is an independent product. It should work with V, Eve’s future products, as well as other notebooks/2-in-1s. So making something like @LazerCut’s design will limit Donald Dock to only an accessory of V. After discussion with the manufacture, I think the best way is to make only middle weight 1 as the core product, and if really needed, we can develop different supporting mechanical parts as accessorises to e.g. holding V, hanging Donald Dock under the desk, or behind the monitor.
So middle weight 2 will be withdrawn from the voting, and middle weight 1 will be added possibility of supporting accessorises.
To be honest, when heard from Intel that the minimum sales volume of any TB3 device is 10K, I was planning to delete the superpower weight option: its price and the amount of potential customers make it almost impossible to reach this volume. But I think it is community that needs to decide it, especially after seeing so many discussions about eGPU.
So superpower weight is still open for voting. If people really want an Eve brand eGPU box (no matter with or without integrated GPU), we will try our best to find a way out.
It’s very hard even to just estimate the price before we know exact spec. However, we can always see existing product price as a reference. See what @eldelacajita writes in reply 182, you can have a rough idea
Below is the updated information of product types. Thanks to Dario again!
How to vote?
We are making product(s) that people will buy.
So it is crucial that the voting result really shows what people really want, instead of some political trick – I don’t like A, but I hate B, so I vote A.
@eldelacajita has showed different scenarios in reply 132. In order to make sure no compromised votes, below are the rules
- Vote only product type you really want to buy. If you don’t want anything, vote “No one is appealing”.
- Read at least Step 2.2 and all above information before you vote.
- If you really want to buy 2 different types, and they are linked (means you only buy both or nothing), write it in the reply.
Based on the voting result, Eve team will decide what product type(s) to make for Donald Dock.
What is the product type for Donald Dock you want to buy?
- Feather weight
- Light weight
- Middle weight
- Superpower weight
- I want to buy a bundle (please specify the combination)
- No one is appealing